‘The Sandman’ Season 2 Plans, Lucifer, Diner Defined by Neil Gaiman

SPOILER ALERT: Don’t learn you probably have not but watched “Misplaced Hearts” the Season 1 finale episode of “The Sandman.”

Netflix’s 10-episode first season of “The Sandman” opened up a world of goals and nightmares Friday for each viewers conversant in Neil Gaiman’s iconic DC comedian guide sequence and those that had by no means earlier than entered The Dreaming.

Following the journey of Morpheus, The Lord of Goals (performed by Tom Sturridge), as written within the first two installments of Gaiman’s “Sandman” comics, Season 1 of “The Sandman” TV present coated quite a lot of floor initially laid by Gaiman within the late ’80s and early ’90s. However there are nonetheless eight extra volumes in the principle “Sandman” comics sequence left to be tailored. And that’s nonetheless not even the entire story.

Right here, Selection speaks with “The Sandman” showrunner Allan Heinberg and Gaiman, who co-wrote the pilot for Netflix’s “The Sandman” and govt produces the sequence alongside David S. Goyer and Heinberg, about the way forward for the long-awaited TV adaptation and the way they introduced a few of the most beloved and scary moments from the comics into Season 1.

The primary season coated “Preludes and Nocturnes” and “The Doll’s Home.” Figuring out that you simply’ve achieved these two installments within the first one, how lengthy do you suppose and what number of seasons do you suppose it could take to correctly inform the whole lot of “The Sandman”?

Neil Gaiman: Effectively, we advised the primary 400 pages of a 3,000-page arc within the first 10 episodes. So there’s a form of a “you do the mathematics” on that. However then the opposite reply is, how lengthy is a bit of string? What we all know that we want to do, in an ideal world, so long as the viewers is there and other people come out for it and other people need it, is we wish to inform the entire story of “Sandman” that went via to “The Wake.” And after that we wish to inform “Sandman: Overture,” and someplace in there, probably, whilst a particular or no matter, we’d like to do issues like “The Dream Hunters.” We fairly most likely weave the tales which can be in “Sandman: Infinite Nights” into the physique of the entire. What is good is we’ve got the whole lot of “Sandman” to attract on.

We even have the “Demise” books. It is perhaps nice to go off and do a kind of as a sideline, along with which, anyone who has seen “Sandman” Episode 3 has sidled over to us in some unspecified time in the future or different within the final six months and stated, “Do you suppose there’s any risk that we may do a Johanna Constantine present with Jenna Coleman?” And, oh my God, she’s a star and also you simply wish to see her going via battling demons and destroying different folks’s lives. In order that’s in there, too. We will hold occurring this for a very long time to come back.

However this isn’t us going, it’s eight season precisely after which out — or 5 seasons and out. We wish to inform the story. Which feels splendidly acquainted for me, as a result of once I was writing “Sandman,” folks go, “So how lengthy does ‘Sandman’ go?” And I’d go, “I don’t know, perhaps Challenge #50?” And I’d be at Challenge #50, and go, “I don’t know, Challenge #75, perhaps?” However if you get there, there’s nonetheless be extra story to inform after that.

Allan Heinberg: There’s no method. We take a look at every of the tales and we are saying, this might make a terrific episode out, and that will make a terrific episode out. It’s very natural. The one lesson I really feel like I’ve realized time and again is that we by no means pad the story. We’ve unstitched the seams within the comics and we’ve advised what’s occurring off-page and off-panel quite a lot of the time. However we by no means pad the tales in an effort to create extra tv. We realized the exhausting manner.

Gaiman: We did strive. And there have been some horrible scripts for that.

Heinberg: Not horrible, simply un-shootable.

Gaiman: Ungainly?

Heinberg: I like ungainly.

Gaiman: There have been some ungainly scripts have been we tried. After which we’d replace them and return to the factor, and someplace, up within the sky, 26-year-old Neil Gaiman can be smirking at us going, “Yeah, see. You skilled writers, you award-winning folks; I’ve nothing and but I wrote this factor, and also you’ve simply come again to the factor that I did.”

For the way you probably did “The Oldest Sport” scene within the present, what was the choice to make it Lucifer straight battling with Morpheus, reasonably than the best way it was arrange within the comics with Lucifer watching as Morpheus and a demon performed the sport in entrance of him?

Gaiman: There are economies of every. I form of really feel like each medium has its personal economics. If you happen to’re writing comics, you might have an financial system of web page. You solely have your 24 or 22 pages, your six panels per web page, your 35 phrases per panel. These are your economies. So every part goes to need to be folded into issues. In making tv, you might have an financial system of actors. You go, OK, I would like an actor of this measurement. And if I’m going to place an actor of this measurement on this place, I’ve to present them one thing to do. And once I was bringing Lucifer on within the comedian, I used to be going, OK, I’m going to have Lucifer there and I’ll have anyone else enjoying this sport, and simply watch Lucifer getting pissed. As a result of we all know that Lucifer goes to be severely destroyed and I would like everyone going, “When is the rematch? When is the rematch?” While you’ve employed Gwendoline Christie as a result of one, she is a “Sandman” fan and he or she needs to play Lucifer and you aren’t going to argue with Gwendoline, and two, as a result of you need her to play Lucifer. She’s 6’3″, 6’6″ in heels, and seven’5″ with wings. And also you need her on the stage as a lot as potential. You go, effectively, we’ve got this fabulous confrontation right here.

And we knew from the phrase go — this was one thing that was talked about within the preliminary dinner — that after we have been going to be enjoying The Oldest Sport, it was going to be mirrored, the stuff that was within the captions was now going to be occurring. So that you have been going to see this stuff that have been being described. If you happen to get the illness, you’re going to be dying of that illness till you give you your subsequent factor. So why not do it with Lucifer? Why not have Gwendoline be the one that takes that factor — as a result of it’s cooler, as a result of we love her and since she’s on display screen. And in addition as a result of it makes it extra private for her and will get the viewers much more invested in “Season of Mists.” I take an excessive amount of fucking pleasure in saying to individuals who have no idea something about what’s arising in “Sandman,” “If we do Season 2, we’re going to be having the rematch and Morpheus goes to be going again to hell. And Lucifer has some surprises in retailer that Morpheus just isn’t anticipating.” And they’re all like, “Ahh!” And I’m like, “Yeah, and I understand how that’s going to work, and also you don’t. And everyone who’s ever learn ‘Season of Mists’ is aware of how that’s going to work and also you don’t. However that’s good as a result of not everyone can have learn ‘Season of Mists’ and that is going to be a lot enjoyable.”

With the diner episode, primarily based “The Sandman” Challenge #6, “24 Hours” — how did you even start? How did you determine how darkish to go? How did you determine what we’re going to do to match the comedian and the pacing, it was incredible. How do you even start to assault the diner?

Heinberg: We talked lots about this. The diner is a masterwork of “The Sandman” the comedian guide. It’s structurally sensible. It’s authored. It’s narrated. However there are only a few kind of character-to-character interactions the place you get to play a scene straight.

Gaiman: And I’m sitting there because the narrator doing the entire work, once more, due to the economies. As a result of we’re taking pictures within the three panels each hour and saying, “That is what is occurring.”

Heinberg: And we had this wonderful forged and we determined very early on to vary John’s motivation in “The Sandman.” And so as soon as we did that and determined that John was mainly on a heroic mission to avoid wasting the world with the ruby, you go into the diner via his POV, and also you kind of meet all of those folks in the course of their lives, interacting with one another. And as soon as that call was made, it simply grew to become about falling in love with every of them and giving them hopes and goals and longings and frustrations and selecting aside the lies of their marriages and the lies that they inform themselves. It was extremely liberating as a result of it was such a departure from the guide, for me, as a author and for Ameni Rozsa, who wrote the primary draft of the script, that I felt like as soon as we figured that out, we may do something.

Gaiman: I really like the truth that due to COVID, you constructed the diner set and also you rehearsed it like a play, which you by no means get to do on tv. You shot it in sequence, which you by no means get to do.

Heinberg: It was particular. It was very particular. And Jamie Childs, who directed it, actually had the time with the actors and with our DP and with our manufacturing designer. Each shot of that’s so lovingly crafted and intentional, and you’ll really feel the screws tighten on each degree over the course of that episode. And it was simply an enormous collaborative effort.

Gaiman: Certainly one of my favourite moments in your entire 10 episodes of “The Sandman,” which has moments in it which have made me cry, which has moments in it that I’m awestruck by, which has moments that I’m pleased with, however watching David Thewlis as John Dee wander into the kitchen in the back of the diner, get himself some ice cream, come round and eat it on the counter, whereas all these items is occurring round him, is one in all my favourite sequences. I would like to inform Jamie it’s simply one in all my favourite sequences. It does a lot, and nothing is alleged. David Thewlis goes and will get ice cream and it’s each horrifying, terrible and human.

I do know “The Sandman” hasn’t been picked up for Season 2 but, however have you ever forged, or are in talks, with actors for Future, Delirium and Destruction — Dream’s different siblings we meet in “Season of Mists”?

NG: Proper now, what we’re doing is each time I consider or run into or move or discover an actor who could possibly be both a Destruction or a Delirium, Allan will get an e mail.

This interview has been edited and condensed.